Nov 04, 2009Does Canada need the Monarchy?![]() You must be very excited over the royal visit and the opportunity to reaffirm our ancestral links to Great Britain. While Charles and Camilla may not be the most inspiring representatives, it is the institution we must respect. It is the glory of our monarchy and our Commonwealth that we are part of a non-military family of nations who hold a common British heritage of democracy, justice and tea-drinking. ![]() I’m tempted to reply by paraphrasing Sir Winston Churchill’s dismissal of the “glory” of the Royal Navy: “nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash.” Perhaps “inbreeding, snobbery, and the throne” would be the equivalent for the “glory” of our monarchy. You’re right in noting that Canada has ancestral links to Great Britain, and clearly many of our civil and parliamentary institutions have their origins there. But Canada is a sovereign nation, not a nation in need of a sovereign. The many peoples – including the First Nations – who now make up this land all have traditions that inform our contemporary society, and it’s my belief that our strongest sense of ourselves will result from balancing relationships among cultures, regions, and the land. I don’t see how the monarchy is of any benefit in getting that balance right. ![]() You’re right, Canada has been sovereign for quite a while – I peg the date at July 1956 when Britain parachuted forces into Sinai and Canada was diametrically opposed to the military intervention. Now, at that time, if Queen Elizabeth II was anything but a symbol of parliamentary democracies at work, relations between us and the monarchy could become strained. However, we all realize the Queen has no real power and that she is a symbol of Canada - not the symbol - but one of many symbols of our country; the canoe, the fleurs-de-lis and the winter vacation in Cuba. By the way, I assume that many of our First Nations peoples will be welcoming Charles and Camilla to Canada during this visit – they appreciate that if we are to have monarchs, it’s great to have Charles and Elizabeth whose tireless charitable works benefit and inspire us all . Clearly they have reconciled history and reality – why can’t you? ![]() Pshaw! Charitable works are admirable, but we don’t need royalty to have charity. And you’re the one who said it’s the institution we must respect – why are you now lauding the accomplishments of the individuals? On the other hand, if we’re going to pay homage to the royalty of one of our founding nations, why not all of them? The modern history of Canada is tied to Britain and the Commonwealth, and that’s reflected in our laws and institutions. But Canada’s present and future are global, and we’re grown up now. We need to make our own way. If we were founding a nation today, we’d want full democracy, not a constitutional monarchy, no matter how “symbolic.” Let’s face it: the Queen’s UNELECTED representative decided the outcome of last year’s constitutional crisis. That’s just plain undemocratic. ![]() Well, the reason we don’t celebrate the French monarchy is that they had trouble perpetuating their line after Louis XVI was executed – the Bourbons were a perfect example of a monarchy refusing to change with the times. Contrast the Bourbons with the character of our royal family during the Second World War. They were given the chance to flee to Canada but they stuck it out in London during the Blitz with their subjects. Picture the young Princess Elizabeth driving an army truck while bombs dropped and the royal corgis forced to eat spam off silver plates – the hardship! The courage! I’m glad you brought up the constitutional crisis. It proved we have the best system in the world because a person of noble stature, the Governor-General, was able to keep order during political chaos. Again, let’s compare our crisis with the U.S. election – or non-election – of George Bush in 2000. A gaggle of judges (appointed by politicians) decided the fate of a nation, and indeed the world, by proclaiming Bush the winner and not Al Gore. What would our world be like if the decision had gone the other way? Finally, I recall that after the end of apartheid, one of the first international gestures Nelson Mandela did was to re-establish South Africa’s relationship with the Commonwealth. Clearly, if links to our British heritage are good enough for South Africa and Mandela, I’m content to be a loyal subject of the Queen – God Bless Her! ![]() Sigh. You’re going to defend the royalty by reminding Canadian voters that the unelected Governor-General, at the urging of a weakened Prime Minister, prorogued parliament to give him time to get back on his feet – with no consultation from the electorate – and suggest that’s superior to the American system merely because Bush beat Gore in a dubious result? Maybe Nelson Mandela likes being part of the Commonwealth because it helps keep the peace in a very tenuous situation in South Africa. I myself wouldn’t oppose it – as long as it didn’t mean having the English monarch as the titular head of our state. Democracy means more to me than heritage. Comments:
Comment from: Peter FOY [Visitor]
There is absolutely no reason why we should have the Monarchy here in Canada.When we look at what it takes to keep the Governor General in office along with all Lt Governors of each province we are wasting a lot of money that could and should be used on other more important issues and things.I was bron and raised in England and the Monarchy is costing the U.k Billions opf Pounds every year .
Comment from: Jan Holman [Visitor]
Personally, I don't think the 'new' royals represent Canada and if they want to visit to maintain a relationship with us, then they can bloody well (to quote an Englishman) pay for their own visits, since they can more than pay for them. And we are just adding one more justifiable reason for the Quebecois to separate. I'd like to keep our French brothers in Canada. And the First Nations people are the original Canadians so why not replace the Lt. Governor with a First Nations person? With the horrendous deficit we now face it's time to downsize government and get rid of all unnecessary positions, especially as it relates to outdated passions such as maintaining an expensive connection to Britian. After all, if we're going to be a soverign nation, then let's be one! Then maybe other countries will know who Canadians really are-independent and multi-cultural: a near perfect example for the rest of the world.
Comment from: Pat Monaghan [Visitor]
The so called royals should deported from Canada never to return. I can't think of any reason for them to be included in the history of Canada. Canada was founded by people who were trying to escape from the overindugences of so called Royals. Only a few made the decsion to elevate them to a position of Royalty and they are long dead. Let's get rid of the Royalty and the Governor General and become our own Country. If royalty walked the street instead of driving it they would be the highest paid ****** in the world
Comment from: Jackson Withrow [Visitor]
If the Canada was left without ties to the monarchy, we wouldn't have the office of the govenor general.
That being said if Canada was left without that office we may very well have been stuck with that vaunted coalition government of unelected party leaders. Also, even just the idea of a higher authoraty in government keeps us from turning our Prime Minister into a demigogue as they do in the USA with their president. There is nothing flawed in our system as it is now to warrant major changes. There is no need to imitate other nations government systems which may or may not be as good as ours. Such ignorance here. Ignorance of our history and the values the Monarchy brought to Canada. Sure we don't need the Queen, but we would be poorer off without this important link to our past. We are not the US - our laws, our history and our existence are all founded in the Monarchy. Why reject our proud past, as it is part of what shaped this great country. Day by day we become nothing more than a suburb of the US.
Comment from: Emad S [Visitor]
in all honesty from a beneficial Canadian perspective.....NO..
NADA.. she serves no purpose to us, its more of a loss to canada in the grand scheme things, this will help canada form its own identity... ps. get rid of the governor general as well, what a waste of resourses, and our hard earned tax $$
Comment from: Peter Parker [Visitor]
I really had no opinion on the monarchy UNTIL Brian Mulroney & the GST fiasco started. Remember when Mulroney asked the Queen for 8 extra senators so that he could push thru the GST when Liberal senators threatened to kill it? Canadians were 90% against the GST and numerous letters & emails were sent to the Queen asking for her to protect her subjects by refusing Mulroney and telling him to get a mandate by calling an election (he just won a majority on the Free Trade deal, without once mentioning the GST). The Queen simply rubber stamped his request and lost any credibility in my eyes. She said she did not want to get involved with our political situation, but then she should have refused to get involved entirely. She did NOT have the welfare of her subjects in mind so we have no need of her either!!
Comment from: Sherron McDonald [Visitor]
we don't need them... She is the mother of and adulterer, and a man who coveted someone elses wife, long before he married a innocent young thing.. they only needed her for breeding stock, after all they are farmers..and they had to get some new blood in the windsor stables..and just think he will be the head of the Church of England..send them home, who cares..
Comment from: Rubber Leggs [Visitor]
"Distinguish us from the Americans..."
What hogwash! Can we not stand on our own two feet and not live under the umbrella of a former tyrannical empire. The Brits have got to be laughing their heads off knowing that a country of our supposed status still sees ourselves as subject of their monarchy. Even Australia and New Zealand has had the courage to break away from the Empire.
Comment from: John Balaam [Visitor]
You bunch of dummies you are you all welcome the president of a country that screws you each year with protectionist trade policies and have the gall to think you have no need of royalty.
The US would trade their president Obama for the Queen any day. The royal family visit because they choose to not because they need to. So what if we foot some of the bill. No one seems to care about the other monies we waste daily on very undesirable visitors who spread hate and promote violence and we provide them with security too!!!!!!! "Can we not stand on our own two feet" Not really. A very talented but otherwise tiny military and a population of rabid whiners, not do-ers, make us the best wing-man country of all time.
Canada is awesome, we have lots of cards to play internationally, but just this year our political link to the monarchy (govenor general) spared us from an attempt at standing on our own two feet. A sad and dangerous attempt.
Comment from: Gordon Smith [Visitor]
Most Canadians are not affected in ANY way by having a Queen.
She's British, but somehow some Canadians feel that she is our Queen, when she's obviously a foreigner. I really could care less, but I wonder why we really need a British Queen here in Canada. John Balaam -> Yes, the Americans love the British Queen, but they don't want here as their "head of state" whatsoever. They like her, but from a distance. The problem with the British "royalty" is that they do nothing; they just are given their position of "importance" and massive money just because of their "birthright". People in Canada (myself included) have a hard time with justifying this.
Comment from: Rick Williston [Visitor]
I have no great affinity for the royalty, but our country was created and is still operating with the Queen as our head of state. So yes, she is our queen and yes, she is even Quebec's queen, despite their denial. If they object to the fact that a British queen rules over them, I guess we Anglais will have to do a reset too and erase from our minds the hundreds of years we were ruled by a French queen.
There is good and bad with having a monarch but those lamenting the "massive money" she costs us are laughable. And as has been mentioned, if we didn't have the GG then we would all be under Prime Minister Dione and a coalition government, which in hindsight might not have been so bad at all. There is a process if we did want to eliminate her as head of state, but just railing about it is certainly not it. Repatriating our Constitution as Trudeau did was a good first step, but it did get little appreciation here. Personally, I don't mind if the Queen is our head of state, she certainly represents a constancy, a higher ideal and a quiet integrity that is all too lacking in Canadian discourse. When was the last time you saw Harper show respect to another individual as he has with the Royals? So we at least know he is capable of it. Overall, I just wish Queen E. wasn't all over our money and we had a few more Canadian heroes represented there. Leave a comment:
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